The Third View

society, culture, business · EN

The Third View is a podcast about change at the system level: what is actually happening when an industry inverts, a political order collapses, or a business model becomes obsolete overnight. Not what we should feel about it. What the structure of it is, and what it makes possible. Every two weeks, Erik de Ruijter, Janne Brok and Manasi Kumbhat apply their framework of radical systems level change to one complex system: politics, business, or society. The framework comes from their book If Not This, Then What? (Bureau WO, 2025). The conversations go further. If you think in systems, this is your show.